Citizens want Jonquil planning and zoning hearing
Half a dozen residents of the Williams Park neighborhood near Jonquil Village said they want the city to hold a planning and zoning hearing about the proposed development.
The Jonquil Plaza hearing may have been tabled till the Feb. 20 Smyrna City Council meeting, but that didn’t stop it from being Monday night’s hot topic.
Several members of the Williams Park Neighborhood Association took to the podium during citizen input, but their points were largely the same. Their neighborhood abuts the proposed Jonquil Plaza development and they’d like to see the issue brought before the planning and zoning committee to allow residents more time to review the plans and share their views with mayor and council.
“Please consider the long-term implications of this project,” said Ron Davis, a Williams Park resident. “This is a one-time opportunity to build out the heart of our city to the standards that it deserves.”
Several of the speakers expressed concern about the apartments that have been proposed for the site noting that they think apartments put more stress on public services and schools and don’t contribute to the city’s tax-base.
“It is not welcome to hear that the mayor and council are considering allowing non-owner occupied residential units to be part of the mix of commercial and residential elements for that property,” said Robyn Phillips, a Williams Park resident. “In the last year or two Smyrna has paid significant taxpayer funds to acquire and demolish apartment units that had significantly deteriorated and had contributed to a higher police presence at those properties due to elevated crime and drug trafficking.”
Lem Ward, an attorney and Williams Park resident, said he thought that proceeding without a planning and zoning hearing violated zoning procedures law.
“I’m going to presume that your city attorney has given you the appropriate advice and I’m not going to argue with you about who’s right and who’s wrong, but it appears to me that a change of sight plan is a zoning decision as defined by the zoning procedures law,” he said. “Even if I’m wrong in the law, and I don’t think that I am because the site plan which you are going to change was adopted after a public hearing that complies with zoning procedures law. I don’t believe that you would change the site plan without following that same procedure.
“Zoning procedure law states, ‘the purpose of these minimum procedures is to assure that due process is afforded to the general public when local governments regulate the use of properties through the exercise of the zoning power.’”
Keith Bentley, a member of the Williams Park Neighborhood Association, read aloud a list of features the group would like to see in the development:
-An attractive streetscape with paver sidewalks along Atlanta Road that complements the look and feel of Market Village.
-An architectural style that complements the Market Village.
-Shops that face Atlanta Road with parking behind.
-Restaurants or café space with outdoor seating areas accessible from Atlanta Road.
-Attractive landscaping including hardwood trees on Atlanta Road and Spring Road.
-A medium-size, maximum 45,000-square-foot grocery store, with special high-quality landscaping that could include a water feature at Atlanta Road similar to the fountain area at Market Village.
Bentley added that the neighborhood doesn’t want the development to be a conventional strip mall or to house a ‘big box’ store with the exception of the grocery store.
Wade Lnenicka, Ward 6 council member, agreed that Jonquil Plaza needed to go before the planning and zoning commission again.
“These people from Williams Park were spot on,” Lnenicka said. “I told the council this needs to go back before our planning and zoning committee. I didn’t know these people were coming tonight but I thought it should. I think the proposed plan is a very significant change from the originally approved plan. For that reason it should go back to the planning and zoning commission for public hearings and commission recommendations back to the council. And I hope it does. I support that. I said it before the meeting tonight.”
In other news from the meeting, the council approved 7-0 a privilege license for agent-retail package sales of beer and wine for the new RaceTrac located at 4290 East West Connector. Rachel Lynn Pearson, RaceTrac operations supervisor, said the store is tentatively set to open March 17.
During committee reports, Melleny Pritchett, Ward 1 city council member, reported that RaceTrac has accepted bids for its Spring Road store and they expect earth moving to begin in about 45 days.
Ron Fennel, Ward 7 council member, said no date has been set for the groundbreaking of Fire Station No. 5, but that he expects the structure will be completed by Labor Day.
People trying to tune in to the meeting at home were in the dark. Susan Hiott, Smyrna city clerk, explained that Charter Communications was experiencing technical difficulties on their end. The meeting was filmed, but not broadcast. It will rerun Monday, Feb. 13 on Charter Communications Public Access Channel 19.
K. Davis
3:43 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
We'll see how far you get with that Williams Park Neighborhood.
K. Davis
4:10 pm on Tuesday, February 7, 2012
The ten year moratorium on apartments expired in 2008 and wasn't renewed by the city.
Donna Short-Woodham
8:34 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
The city owns two small parcels on the jonquil property. The mayor and council have plans to sell it to the current owners of the jonquil property. The city should keep the land and work with current owners to design two pocket parks on the property. No lights, no water works just a natural tasteful natural setting if you please. Why would the city officials allow apartments to be built in Smyrna city limits? We have plenty of housing. Apartments/housing would bring more unwanted traffic to that intersection. J-O-B-S are needed. Think office park white collar jobs not retail or housing.
Smyna Res
12:31 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
This is very frustrating. Folks - this place has been and will continue to be a giant patch of dirt until someone takes the risk to develop it. NO ONE is going to develop it without a residential component, no one. Not happening. No one is going to build condos/townhomes. Please get over it, it is not happening. The only housing that can be built (that the market wants) is apartments.
Can we please stop assuming that all apartments and their residents are the same? West Village does not equal Mitchell's Park. Me and a number of my friends are all young, doing pretty darn well in life, graduated from schools like UGA and Ga Tech, and guess what...we all rent here in Smyrna. Maybe we aren't the type of person you are looking for your in your town? If development occurs over the next 12-18 months, a number of us are thinking about BUYING in Smyrna. Unfortunately, right now we are leaning towards moving closer to a development like West Village though.
I am blown away at the "lists of requests" that people are demanding for this development. I hate to break this to you, but you, teh citizens of Smyrna - currently have a brown patch of dirt taking up the majority of your central townplace...and it ain't going anywhere anytime soon unless you are a little more constructive with Branch.
Dustin
2:31 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Smyrna NEEDS upscale apartments! People calling for anything except apartments don't understand the market. The market is saturated with property for sale, the market is saturated with office space for lease. Smyrna city limits has 0 nice apartments!
The area around Market Village needs more dense housing options, so maybe there will be enough residence to keep the shops in Market Village from going out of business. In this market, that means apartments. Don't worry, once the market turns the apartments can be converted to condos.
Retail businesses require people to shop at them in order for them to stay in business. That is why an anchor (Publix for example) is requiring residential to be included in the development.
Stop trying to shoot Smyna in the foot with these wacky demands.
Dustin
2:37 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Also... I 100% agree with the features that Keith Bentley requested. This development needs to have the parking in the back with the stores in the front. I think it should be developed as an extension of Market Village. Make it easy for someone shopping at Market Village to walk over to Jonquil Village.
Neal Dow
6:31 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Since one of the mayor's campaign contributors was a PAC for the National Apartment Association I believe non-owner occupied residential units will be built in Jonquil Village and it doesn't matter that proceeding without a planning and zoning hearing violates zoning procedures law.
Schitzngrins
5:21 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
"Neal", are you ever going to offer anything constructive? Or is trite, counterproductive sniping all we can expect from you? There are enough in that crowd already around here, but if that's who you choose to associate with, so be it.
If you must continue in this line of posting though, please do us all a favor and change the broken record from time to time. Mix it up a bit. At the very least be interesting or even mildly entertaining.
Brian
9:13 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012
There's a difference between high-end apartments and low-income apartments like the ones the city tore down.
Here is a thought
9:47 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
If we want Jonquil to be built with the future in mind, then they'll need to put small shops on the ground floor of every building, and they need to be attractive from the outside and visible from S. Atl.Rd. Yes - I know most of the small shop locations in Market Village are empty, and it is unfortunate that the city has so little control over the landlords. However, lacking control, we do have influence. For example, offer the landlords a tax credit based on getting a small business into the space, and base the amount of the credit on annual gross sales. Maybe, just maybe, the lure of a tax credit may allow the landlord to reduce rent/lease payments. Lower monthly expense may motivate a business to locate there. Wouldn't a landlord want at least some rent versus nothing? And yes, I understand the value of writing the building off as a loss if it is not occupied.
If the tax break possibility isn't what the landlord wants, then ask them what will incent them to find a way to get the space occupied? Whatever the answer is may just work across the street at Jonquil.
Here is a thought
9:48 am on Monday, February 13, 2012
Apartments in Jonquil are a foregone conclusion. That said, they should be fairly nice if they are going to attract the type of resident that will be desirable. And just what is desirable? The educated Gen X/Y/Z/Millennial. For many of them, apartments are what they want. Their demographic represents a shift in culture, as in desiring a short-term commitment for lodging - and everything else. The statistics show they don't buy cars; they lease them. They don't buy houses and condos; they lease them. They don't get married; they hook up. They don't stay forever at one job; they have 6 of them in the first 10 years after graduating from college; many with advanced degrees. I am not judging or evaluating them; it a verifiable fact. So, why not cater to them?
In summary, I would hope our city staff assist Branch with the most positive, long-term and society-smart options available. We have one chance to do this right, and there is a huge amount of data out there on development for the future versus for the next 18 months.
Schitzngrins
6:22 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
From all I've seen/heard/read on the subject, I think it's safe to say that the majority of us are in agreement that Jonquil Plaza and Belmont Hills represent unique opportunities to make significant statement about our city. I also think it's safe to say that the majority of us are in agreement that this statement needs to be a POSITIVE one. Generic strip malls simply will not do. These properties need to be developed in such a way that they are functional, but also aesthetically pleasing and sustainable.
What I'd like to see, if it doesn't already exist (I'll admit my ignorance on this issue), is a set design standard for these properties that fits into a set design standard for the city as a whole...especially in the core of the city. I'm not talking about a design standard that is so stringent and uniform that it will turn the area into a souless, cookie-cutter community, but one that allows for variation and creativity, while preserving a sense of continuity. I've been fortunate to travel around the country quite frequently over the last 5 years for work, and the nicest, best looking communities I've seen have all been built/renovated in this fashion.
Schitzngrins
6:27 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012
There are obviously many and varied opinions as to what the right mix of occupants would/could/should be, but we really have little control over that. As Ray Kinsella will attest, the best we can do is build these properties according to the right set of standards, and the right mix of occupants will come.
That said, I think many people are being extremely myopic with their views on the residential component here. High-end apartments, or perhaps a mix of high-end apartments and some permanent condos (w/the ratio weighted toward the apartments though), is the way to go here. Not every apartment complex becomes a slum, and if the right stipulations are put in place, these would not.
Here is a thought
12:51 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Good points Chris. I will suggest our officials take a trip to Suwanee to see how the whole city-center concept worked for them. They preserved the old, mixed in the new, created a park, connected city hall and the park with a tunnel and collected about every municipal award along the way. Call Marty Allen, the City Manager - he loves to talk about how they did it.
R. Anderson
2:10 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
City-center concepts are beyond the scope of this Mayor and council. And anyone who suggests such ideas is attacked as a whiner and complainer. If the city's leaders were forward thinking they would have visited Suwanee or any of the other downtown areas in the Metro Atlanta area and taken the best ideas from each.
Schitzngrins
2:28 pm on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
Actually, the only people that get "attacked" as whiners and complainers are whiners and complainers. Constructive ideas (even dissenting ones) and constructive criticisms are received and handled in a completely different manner.
Mike
2:13 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Considering the development is in the city limits, it would be great to have condos/townhomes to help with the tax base. Upscale apartments are nice but they don't help with paying for city services. I just read a report today that Bentley sales are back to pre recession levels so all is not hurting in the world. I am ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN if right mix of development with attractive pricing would have a line of buyers wanting to live there. Look at how sales have picked up at West Village and in multiple communities in the area. Jonquil Plaza can be even more vibrant than West Village considering its location.
Apartments increase traffic, not just with residents but tons of visitors which will just add more traffic to an area that should be trying to get people OUT of cars. I thought the suggestion list was on the money!
-An attractive streetscape with paver sidewalks along Atlanta Road that complements the look and feel of Market Village.
-An architectural style that complements the Market Village.
-Shops that face Atlanta Road with parking behind.
-Restaurants or café space with outdoor seating areas accessible from Atlanta Road.
-Attractive landscaping including hardwood trees on Atlanta Road and Spring Road.
-A medium-size, maximum 45,000-square-foot grocery store, with special high-quality landscaping that could include a water feature at Atlanta Road similar to the fountain area at Market Village.
Smyna Res
3:37 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Mike-
Can you please provide some data/support for the idea that condos/townhomes are viable? Every person I know in the real estate industry would rather get out of the biz than build condos/townhomes for the next three years.
If you are "ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN" that a mix that includes townhomes/condos would have buyers lining up, then you clearly know something that the rest of the Atlanta real estate development community does not know.
Not trying to be mean here - it's just a simple fact...there is no way in he%% condos or townhomes are going to be built in that development now or for (most likely) the next 5 years. It's not happening.
If you believe otherwise, I would invite you to form an LLC and attempt to raise the funds to build a development that includes condos/townhomes.
Amy
4:41 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
This isn't the first time I've seen this, but how is it that apartments don't help with the tax base? I just picked an apartment complex and looked them up on cobbtax and it shows that they paid both property and school taxes. I don't know about the city tax aspect because that isn't online. Also I can only assume they don't get the homestead exemption. Plus there is the occupational tax to get a business license that businesses pay. I would be interested to see the breakdown to support the lower tax from apartments assertion.