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How Will You Vote on the Regional Transportation Referendum?

The Regional Transportation Referendum is a hot button issue throughout metro Atlanta.

 

May is drawing to a close and that means there are just two months until voters go to the polls to decide the fate of the Regional Transportation Referendum.

The one-percent Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax would be collected over 10 years throughout the 10-county metro Atlanta region to fund an approved list of 150 projects.

According to the Atlanta Regional Roundtable, if passed, Smyrna-Vinings stands to get improvements to Windy Hill Road, including widening and a raised median; improvements to the South Cobb Drive corridor from Interstate 285 to Church Road/Oakdale Road; and “enhanced premium transit service” along the Interstate 75 corridor from Acworth to the MARTA Art Center Station.

Of the $8.5 billion collected over 10 years, 15 percent of that is given to city and county governing bodies to use for projects on a more local level.

If today was July 31, how would you vote and why? Tell us in the comments.

District 6 state Sen. Doug Stoner who represents Smyrna and Vinings said at a recent Smyrna Area Business Council Meeting that from a business standpoint he fears what will happen if the referendum fails.

“There are some folks outside of this state who are hoping this fails,” he said. “As one gentleman I work with in Dallas told me he said, ‘Personally I hope y’all are successful. But from a professional standpoint as the chairman I hope you fail because we’re going to eat your lunch.’”

But that’s exactly why some critics of the referendum say they are opposed, citing that it does more for economic development than it does traffic relief. Smyrna’s state Rep. Rich Golick used the Cobb County bus rapid transit system proposed in the project list as an example. Earlier this year he told Patch he doesn’t consider the $500 million project a good value for his constituents in Smyrna, Vinings and Mableton who already have access to Cobb Community Transit.

Others wonder what’s the hurry. Candidate for Cobb County Chairman and Patch blogger Mike Boyce said he favors Plan B, which allows the state legislature to revisit the project list in two years. This would allow time for Cobb County to complete its Alternative Analysis Study that’s examining the county’s options for light rail among other transportation measures.

Others still are vocally opposed. Erik Fernald, a Patch blogger, called the referendum a “boondoggle in the making” saying he doesn’t see why metro Atlantans can’t make their own traffic solutions. 

“If your commute is 2 hours, maybe moving closer to your job is a solution.  If you like where you live, you will hike it and make it ok and endure a small setback for your decisions. Maybe that time in the car is the only time you have to yourself all week. If you do not like the price of gas, maybe you get off your butt, get in shape, and ride a bike that you have not ridden since you were 15…crazy thoughts…people making their own decisions I know.”

The Regional Transportation Referendum is July 31.

Related Topics: Regional Transportation Referendum, transportation investment act, and tsplost

About Hadit

11:20 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

The election will be stolen by the unauditable, Diebold/Premier Election Systems machines. But, oh, it will be SOOOOO close. Too bad the opponents lost but only by 1 percent. Oh, well, maybe next time. (didn't they say that last time?)

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K. Davis

4:25 pm on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

The unauditable and easily hacked Diebold machines have been deciding the state of Georgia's elections since May 2002 thanks to then Secretary of State Cathy Cox. We're talking from the municipal to the state level.

Catherine S

11:26 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012

My vote will be NO. Project list for Region 3: http://www.velag.org/3_atlanta-invlist.pdf. Too many projects which will not significantly relieve traffic congestion. Given today's economy, w/multiple tax increases beginning January 2013, expiration of "Bush" tax cuts & payroll tax cut, Obamacare, etc, we can't afford TSPLOST. Many projects are not scheduled for completion w/in the 10yr time frame; many will require additional funding for operations and maintenance. Most Georgians may do better keeping the estimated $5189 per household (bit.ly/KpbRAP), and spending, saving, or investing it as they see fit. TSPLOST hurts the elderly and poor disproportionately. Increasing the gas taxes or a county-specific splost may be more appropriate for projects which will actually bring congestion relief soon, as voters expect. Is GDOT really capable of managing $16+ billion in revenue if tsplost passes? http://bit.ly/LPI6sx. Tad Leithead, Chair of ARC, said “Traffic has gotten worse. We’re not going to fix it in the first three years or even the first 10 years.” Do GA taxpayers want to endure 10yrs+ of largest tax increase in GA history during "the worst economy since the Great Depression"? Vote "NO"

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Brian

10:43 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

I'm voting "YES". Cobb County and Cumberland is being left behind by Buckhead and Perimeter. My investment in a single family home in the Smyrna/Vinings area is not going to be destroyed by rednecks who think a strip mall and Levvittown development is progress and oppose liveable, walkable, transit-oriented development.

Anyone who thinks we are paying for the projects through regular taxes is mistaken. The T-Splost is a sales tax. Temporary federal incentives exist as well. Additional commerce, including Town Center and Cumberland, will help our economy and bring many jobs.

It will solve some traffic woes by offering alternatives. For instance, the Windy HIll / Cobb Pkwy intersection is one of the most dangerous intersections in the country, and it will be made safer. However, the problems there should demonstrate the problems with building more roads and more lanes as an attempt to spur economic growth. Eventually, the roads hit capacity. I-75, plus Cobb Parkway, plus Powers Ferry, plus Atlanta Rd, plus S. Cobb Drive combined has about 35 lanes of traffic to supposedly move people quickly between North Cobb and S. Cobb. Yet they all get backed up. So no, building transit-oriented development won't solve this unsolvable problem of traffic. It is not possible to tar our way out of it. Instead, transit-oriented development will bring us closer to the places we shop, play, and often even work meaning we have to get in the car less and can walk more. We'll be healthier.

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Susan Hasty

11:36 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Brian, it's not that you're all wrong. You have valid points, except the one about rednecks and their preferences. I come from five generations of North Georgia dirt farmers, have lived in Cobb 20 years, and I can tell you folks in Smyrna are not rednecks. That aside, your assertions about development are true but your perspective is skewed. How does voting for the vast amount of funding to be applied to a rapid rail system that will not ease congestion and will not benefit traffic patterns in Cobb -- just the opposite if riders going downtown try to get to entry points around already gridlocked destinations, make sense for Cobb taxpayers? From my perspective, the piddling improvements to Windy Hill and S. Cobb Drive do not compensate Cobb taxpayers for the burden of supporting a commute into Atlanta. By my reckoning, if the roads continue to gridlock at the perimeter, then eventually most business and jobs will move to outside the perimeter, i.e., to Cobb and outlying counties who now bear the lion's share of funding for these "funnel it into downtown" projects. Given the political realities of Fulton County and Atlanta, this is, of course, already happening and has been for some time, and I, for one, think this is in the long term best interest of Cobb taxpayers.

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Brian

12:17 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Hi Susan,

The transit options will be a lot more than a commute into Atlanta. You will be able to ride a streetcar / BRT up and down Cobb Pkwy, ride transit between Town Center and Cumberland, streetcar to Marietta Square plus all existing places like midtown, Buckhead, Midtown, Perimeter, Inman Park, other points that will be hooked up to the beltline. However, the main thing is that Yes, there's nothing we can do about congestion other than get out of our cars! If we create more road lanes, more people from Paulding, Bartow and Cherokee county will just use them. Plus, Cobb County has had now two decades of realigning roads, and improving our road system. With a few exceptions like building a connection under I-75 from the AMC to the mall in Kennessaw (like the similar connection up near Chastain Rd) there is little that can be done using tar to improve the road systems in Cobb County. Even the improvement at Windy Hill is viewed as wimpy. It's just our reality.

Instead, we're essentially in a position where we need to embrace the congestion as permanent, and start looking towards the future and what will drive economic growth in in our county (e.g. more jobs) instead of driving people out. That is centralizing future development on transit cooridoors with transit-oriented development so that higher densities of people can be supported without as large a footprint on our road system, so that we have walkability options, and are connected up to a metro area transit.

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Brian

12:25 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Susan,

One other thing in response to:

> By my reckoning, if the roads continue to gridlock at the perimeter, then
> eventually most business and jobs will move to outside the perimeter, i.e., to
> Cobb and outlying counties who now bear the lion's share of funding for these
> "funnel it into downtown" projects.

I work for a large satellite office of a multinational corporation on the main Marta trunk. I can say with certainty that for many businesses, there is 0 option to move a main office to anywhere like Cumberland when there is no rail access to the airport or to attract talent. That has been the reality and will continue to be the reality. You'll have most of the desirable businesses and office space on Marta and in desirable areas like Buckhead and Perimeter, and we'll have only businesses looking for a deal settling in Cumberland. Hence the vacancies. We even had an Overlook office once, that we closed.

Even when a business doesn't need rail to the airport for comings and goings, it still wants to tap into a large labor force. There's research to support this. Cumberland is already not in the direct center of the metro, so it has a decreased labor pool.

Denser development also requires rail to continue growth. Again, there's research supporting this.

Without rail, Cumberland won't compete. Without T-Splost could be too little, too late. Probably 20 years out. Cumberland will be competing with Windward Parkway and not Perimeter.

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Brian

12:43 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Susan,

I also think it's important to mention that although competition between different Atlanta metro employment and retail/living centers actually becomes a good argument to build out transit in Cobb County, there is a bigger holistic picture we need to consider as well:

We are going to be destroyed by Dallas, TX and Charlotte, other areas attracting business and building transit. Even Miami / South Florida coast has been exploring rail. We have the Marta trunk that gave us a head-start, but the other cities have been doing more on transit since. They are poised to pass us. A main trunk line doesn't connect up the metro. We need the spurs. If other cities pass us and have a connected workforce with commuter options, and their edge cities connected up, we tend to lose a lot. We will no longer be the capital and international city of the South. So the even bigger picture than us being passed even further by Perimeter, is that we need a connected, mobile workforce to attract more businesses to relocate to Atlanta and not Charlotte or Dallas.

To add a real-world example: Most of my company's jobs posted in the U.S. for anything but sales are posted in L.A., Atlanta, NY, and Dallas, TX if teams exist in all three offices. Whoever finds the employee within budget first and has the room usually gets the employee. Even within our business, we're competing with other cities for employees. We need access to the labor force.

Brian

10:54 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

I know that post sounds divisive, however it is meant to be. It is time for people to decide what we want metro Atlanta to be. Do we want to continue down the path we have had for 20 years of exceptional growth? Or do we want it to become the next Detroit, start sprawling out further and emptying out in the core aside from some forward-thinking areas like Buckhead and Perimeter that were smart enough to embrace transit?

I don't think we can look back. If you don't like progress and growth into an international city with interconnected transit, move to Birmingham or Macon. We don't need you here.

Here's the rub: Atlanta is the capital of the South. Yes, it has a high population, but it's more than just abut population but about being a center of culture, center of international presence, a center of commerce. A lot of metro areas including Dallas and Miami, even Orlando and Charlotte, even Austin are working hard to dethrone Atlanta. The metro area as a whole has faltered recently by not expanding rail and ridden on the success of MARTA in Buckhead, midtown and Perimeter plus the "promise" of the beltline to spur development.

First of all, the promise of the beltline, if not followed-through on, will kill Atlanta. Much of the development in earnest will stop. That will have ripple effects on inner core cities/communities close to the beltline (Smyrna/Vinings, Decatur, Virginia Highlands, Druid Hills, etc)

Secondly, we need a connected metro and to stop sprawl.

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Bruce

11:09 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Hey Brian, when will your road projects be done and are they worth $8.5 billion?

Hey Brian, the road projects are supposed to be done almost a decade from now, but who knows. There are no tier levels of how and when the projects will be done.

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Brian

11:15 am on Thursday, May 31, 2012

The decision is simple:
(1) You vote for T-SPlost and traffic doesn't necessarily improve, however ten years from now you can drive or walk to Cumberland or Town Center, Marietta Square, etc with tons of shopping and parks within 1/4 mile, then hop on the rail to another liveable center. Blighted strip mall areas like S. Cobb Drive in unincorporated Cobb County, Veteran's Memorial, etc get replaced with attractive Main-street style developments flanked with towhomes and green space. Beltline re-development in Atlanta causes spreads into S. Cobb and increasing metro home prices.
(2) You vote against T-Splost and witness sprawl out to Canton, Woodstock, due West, etc and the inner core except for midtown/Perimeter/Buckhead starts to empty and turn into a ghetto (including East Cobb) with abandoned strip malls, etc. Some high-end housing near Chattahoochee plantation and Vinings will be islands in a sea of blight and decay. Traffic from thriving Canton, etc, bring more cars through Cobb County, driving more people out since there's no alternatives. Cumberland and Town Center will stop growing. Much of the older Levvittown style housing in E. Cobb turns into a ghetto. At the same time, the lack of a beltline causes values to drop in Atlanta, impacting Cobb County. State/federal funding saves Cumberland 10 years out by bringing light rail. But too little, too late for most of Cobb. Rising gas prices make cars unaffordable, continuing the trend.

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Mike

4:19 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Nice posts Brian. It is beyond me how Cumberland wants to continue without rail/Marta. It would be even more attractive to business being connected to the world's busiest airport. Sadly too many people in Cobb think Marta = people getting on trains to walk to your house to steal, to get back on the train with stolen items. Its utterly ridiculous.

Cobb to Perimeter is one of the busiest intersections in America and there is no rail? Look at what has happened, not only is 285 backed up but now all the local roads around 285 as people try to find another route.

It is utterly crazy to think I can't take a 2 minute drive to Cumberland to catch Marta to go to the airport..

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K. Davis

4:46 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Billion of dollars have been spent all over the US on transportation. Traffic engineers have a phrase for it - induced demand. New and improved roads just attract more traffic.

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Open Your Eyes

11:48 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

Amen to that last sentence KD... we don't need more roads and really dont need many bigger roads. We do need to fix our old bridges, take care of what we have, stop wasting money on landscapes we don't maintain (aka East West Connector), we do need better intersections at Roswell and I285, Windy Hill and I75, Atlanta Road and I285 and South Cobb and I285, we need a major Marta stop at Cumberland and then on to KSU in Kennesaw via Smyrna and Marietta's downtown's and then one day all the way to Chattanooga. I'm really on the fence on this T-SPLOST, I know it will mean work for people in my profession and it will probably help some areas to ease traffic, it will definitely mean jobs... but I really have a problem with many of the projects that are on the list. I guess in the end I will have to vote yes.

William Good

11:47 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012

I would vote YES and encourage my colleagues to vote YES! I'm tired of having to go to other great cities such as Chicago and New York to be able to ride great transportation. Atlanta is a great city as well and it's infrastructure should reflect so.

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lowbar

8:13 am on Saturday, June 2, 2012

"I'm tired of having to go to other great cities such as Chicago and New York to be able to ride great transportation."

Yeh, that solved their traffic problems.

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Brian

2:33 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Iowbar: Their population density is much higher yet they didn't build new roads for a while.

Faye Martin

12:27 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

I will vote NO for this tax increase. I am retired and my income today will be the same ten years from now. That is, if Social Security even exists in ten years. That's a scary thought when more and more taxes and other demands on my income keep on coming. I live in the Mableton area of Cobb County and have never used Marta to go anywhere. I drive my own car. Americans have a very insecure future with obamacare looming in the near future. We will be very heavily taxed by the government for "health insurance" whether we want it or not. And we will be fined and otherwise penalized if we don't buy this socialized form of medicine. Retirees and a lot of others are in the position of needing to keep their expenses down at all costs. This is true especially for Cobb folks who this extra 1% won't help very much at all. We voted in a 1% road tax a year and a half ago and I'm wondering where all the road improvements are. I run into as many pot holes now as before. A yes vote would mainly be a vote for commuters who drive downtown to work. I'm sorry for them, but that is their choice. The rest of us should not be penalized.
Frances M.

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Brian

2:36 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

I don't think you understand where this tax comes. It's a sales tax. Spend less, like you'll need to anyway, and you get taxed less.

Individual consumers will be hit less than businesses, who need it the most.

I would be more concerned about the really low interest rates from the fed, which will mean your savings get liquidated because you earn no interest. The ultimate result of a road-driven economy and suburbia gone awry. I'd worry less about this 1% sales tax.

Catherine S

9:03 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Brian,

You said: "ten years from now you can drive or walk to Cumberland or Town Center, Marietta Square, etc with tons of shopping and parks within 1/4 mile, then hop on the rail to another liveable center. Blighted strip mall areas like S. Cobb Drive in unincorporated Cobb County, Veteran's Memorial, etc get replaced with attractive Main-street style developments flanked with towhomes and green space. Beltline re-development in Atlanta causes spreads into S. Cobb and increasing metro home prices."

Could you please answer this? 1) show us where the law says the projects you mention above will be completed in 10 yrs. I believe you are misleading folks by suggesting they will be. Because in many cases the law only requires, studies, surveys, and property aquisitions to have taken place within the 1st 10yrs. Also, aren't you basically admittting the whole TIA isn't really about solving traffic congestion, but about "social engineering" to create high density "livable communities" which will benefit the developers, construction companies, lawyers, and real estate companies who are politically connected.

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Smyna Res

10:30 am on Friday, June 1, 2012

Catherine,

Let's all get on the same page...social engineering and traffic issues go hand in hand. A basic fact of city planning is that you need pop. density for mass transit to work well. So, if there is an attempt to increase pop. density it will also reduce congestion. I wouldn't look at it as a bad thing.

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Brian

2:42 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Catherine - livable communities benefits everyone. It's about relieving congestion for a growing community. You can't plan for congestion relief based on the concept of a stagnant population growth. Who plans for no growth? Especially in an area like Cumberland, that's ludicrous... Roads have hit a limit, diminishing returns, and future growth demands more modes of transportation. History has shown that suburban style development isn't sustainable, and creates blighted cooridors like we see in many areas. There is evidence that we have 300,000,000 sq feet of retail space that needs to be torn down throughout the country, and 1 billion sq feet of vacant space. Suburbs are urbanizing. These trends mean we have to plan ahead.

See http://urbanland.uli.org/Articles/2011/Mar/McMahonStrip

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Brian

2:46 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

So Catherine - If we add rail, then we can triple or quadruple population with an equal impact on congestion than much smaller increases would result in without the rail. That is because people will have other options and on peak times, they'll use them. They'll also use them when they don't feel like driving, or to get to other employment/retail centers that also provide rail access.

Stephen

4:35 pm on Friday, June 8, 2012

The bottom line is that traffic will be around forever, If cities like Chicago and NYC did not have their trains their traffic issues would be so much worse. The plan for the Atlanta metro is to help alleviate traffic. More people are moving here every year and we have to compensate somehow. I would take a train in a hearbeat if I could. And for those people that say they have never taken MARTA before, it's because it doesn't go far enough in the first place to serve your area. It's a system that must be expanded in order to function as it should. Will it take less than 10 yrs? Heck no, Any fool would know it's going to take longer, but the sooner we start, the better. If we don't start, the problem will just keep growing and growing. Relief has to come in some form or another. Maybe someone should invent a flying a car...

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