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Letter to the Editor: Some citizens see big benefits to having apartments at Jonquil Plaza

Sean Murphy writes that, done right, apartments at Jonquil Plaza could have a positive impact on Smyrna's future.

 

Dear Editor:

Coming very soon Smyrna council will be asked to make a decision on a zoning request to permit apartments to be built at the former site of Jonquil Plaza shopping center. This vote, perhaps above all others made in recent months, should be taken very seriously and not made without significant input from stakeholders as well as potential retail tenants of both the new shopping center and others existing nearby. I know that in writing this opinion I may very well be in the minority. However, I feel it is important for all citizens who care enough to voice an opinion to have a clear understanding of the implications, history and likely scenarios for this site.

Before I explain my position on this issue I would like to share my background and reason for having a strong opinion. To begin with, I work for a firm that does site planning for mixed-use and multi-family developments (a.k.a. apartments) and just a little over a year ago my firm did several conceptual site plans for Jonquil Plaza for a client of ours who was considering acquiring the property before Branch Properties took the reins. I am also a former employee of Post Apartment Development and in my twenty years of consulting for developers I have worked with most of the major apartment builders in Atlanta at one time or another. Through these experiences I have learned a great deal about the site attributes apartment developers seek and the various issues that affect maintenance, management and long term viability of an apartment complex.

THE MARKET FOR APARTMENTS – First let’s discuss the market. Over the last four months our firm has prepared at least five or six conceptual site plans for various apartment projects for several clients. That alone is clearly a strong indicator of a favorable market. In recent and prior years we had no requests for such investigative planning. Even this very morning, we were asked to help one of our clients to identify property suitable for apartments in central areas of Cobb County including Smyrna.

I won’t go on about this issue except to say that many experts with far more understanding of the markets and trends have come out over the past year including experts at the ULI and various apartment management associations and very plainly stated that there is a significant and growing market for apartments across the nation. With the change in laws and regulations for who qualifies for home loans and the many people who have lost their jobs and credit ratings, there is a substantive and growing demand for rental units of various types. Add to that the growing number of seniors looking to downsize and simplify their lives and we should expect this growth in rental markets to continue for a long time.

Conversely the market for condos and townhomes has completely collapsed nationwide. One can see this here in Smyrna with the least three high quality townhome developments around the city that have shown no signs of resurgence including the one by the fire station and in Williams Park. Our firm has not received a single request to look at doing townhomes in over four years and on several projects where townhomes were originally approved the developers have come back to us to ask for help in re-designing the projects for smaller detached homes.

 “LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION” – Next, I have seen several comments where citizens have stated that they could find little reason why any apartment developer or apartment dweller would want to have a complex at this site next to a rail road, in downtown Smyrna. Let me put that to rest right away. There is absolutely clear interest in this site by well-known and respected apartment developers. When our firm did concepts for Jonquil Plaza in 2009 and 2010 it was for a large retail and mixed use developer and we understood there to be several interested apartment companies. This site offers key elements that most apartment developers are looking for: built-in-demand, ready access to transportation and proximity to amenities. The Jonquil site is centrally located in the core of Smyrna where not one new apartment community has been built for many years. The lack of quality apartments means many people who would like to live in Smyrna but don’t want or can’t afford to buy have to look elsewhere. The only apartments Smyrna offers in downtown area are typically very old and in various states of decline. Beside the pent up demand, this site offers direct access to Atlanta Road a little known (thankfully) but very quick and reliable low traffic access to downtown Atlanta. Finally, the site offers amenities. Besides the proposed adjacent retail that would be built, the Market Village is across the street and there is a brand new multi-use path to Taylor Brawner Park located just down the road.

COST VS. RENT REALITY AND DEMOGRAPHICS Most of our clients are looking for land suitable for “garden style” apartments because they are cheaper to build and can rent at lower rates providing a wider demographic as potential tenants.  However, in order to build apartment community at Jonquil Plaza the developer will have to build a parking deck and create a mid-rise courtyard style apartment community (Sometimes referred to as a “Texas Doughnut”).  This style is typically a three- to four-story building with a courtyard in the center and parking deck attached. It is a completely secured community where the lower floors of the parking deck are typically public and visitor parking and the upper floors are gated. The cost of building a parking deck is typically north of $12,000 space so if you are planning a 200 unit project you have to provide 350 spaces at a cost of over $4 million just for the parking deck! That cost along with the added cost associated with multi-story apartment construction and the downtown land translates to much higher development cost requiring much higher rents. A higher rent generally means the apartments are only affordable to those with greater disposable income and higher education. Statistically speaking these are the kinds of people that eventually chose to buy homes or are empty nesters. We’re not talking about large families that will impact our schools here, were talking single professionals, students and downsizing empty nesters.  

In addition to higher rents, the type of construction generally lends itself better to smaller units with mostly 1 and 2 bedrooms and only a few larger units. That coupled with a lack of greenspace and playgrounds makes these types of urban apartments un-appealing to large families and most appealing to young people who like the night life and urban lifestyle. These are the same people that most often spend money in our restaurants and clubs and would make the downtown a lively and thriving area.

SUCCESSFUL MIXED USE - One of the things Smyrna is struggling with is the vacancy in our retail, specifically this site (Smyrna-Vinings Patch) has had many postings about the vacancy rate in the Market Village. How do you all think those businesses would be affected by 300-400 new residents within a stone’s throw? You don’t need to be a professor of planning to understand the basic principles of successful mixed use require residential density mixed with other uses. One only has to look to downtown Atlanta to see what great changes have been made over the last ten years as the area finally achieved a density that includes many people now living in lofts and apartments along Peachtree Street. Twenty years ago no one lived downtown and at night it was a ghost town. It was not safe, shops were closed early and many businesses struggled to survive on sluggish lunch and dinner traffic from people who worked downtown. Now on any night, you can drive downtown and see that there is a lively and vibrant night time atmosphere and many new businesses where previously there were none. Peachtree Street is finally realizing its full potential.

RENTERS, WHO ARE THEY – I am guilty as the next guy for stereotyping renters as mostly transient and rarely getting involved in local advocacy but that is the problem with a stereotype. Because frankly, it is not true for all renters, not by a long shot.  I ask each of you reading this if you have you ever rented? I know I have. My wife also rented here in Smyrna before we bought our first house here. Many people rent first before buying. We have several renters in our neighborhood that are looking for homes right now. Some rent forever (which may be the new norm with falling home prices).  It is that first local rental experience that introduces them to our town and gets them thinking about eventually buying here. If we don’t have quality rentals available right here in Smyrna how are we going to introduce and attract high quality new citizens to replace outgoing neighbors who leave for various reasons? Right now we have zero high quality rental complexes with nice amenities near downtown.

SUMMARY - I for one, think that residential components are absolutely necessary for a mixed use development to succeed at Jonquil Plaza and if we are going to add more retail to the area then this is even more important. If we can’t even support the retail we have now in the Market Village, how could we support more at Jonquil without the addition of patrons? The approval of apartments would be a substantive incentive to potential retailers. Put yourselves in the retailer’s shoes for a moment at the new shopping center: Would you rather have more retailers as your neighbors or 300-400 captive patrons in an apartment community with excess spending money? I don’t know this for sure, but I suspect that Branch will either pull out completely or they’ll come back to the table with a retail only concept if they don’t get the apartments approved. They are not going to be interested in townhomes or condos at all. And personally I just don’t see a destination retail center being very viable at this time and place in the economy.

Now all that said, I recognize the irony of being in vocally in favor or buying and demolishing apartments in other areas and yet proposing new ones to be built here. However, I see these as completely different issues. The apartments the City has bought and demolished have been very old and out of date and not just in their finishes but in the sizes of their rooms, closets, kitchens as well as their infrastructure and amenity packages. Even with major face lifts these older facilities could never achieve the higher rents that more modern apartment communities can obtain. An apartment community such as they would have to build at Jonquil would be a completely different animal. It would be smaller and more manageable, it would be secure and it would have much less surface area to maintain (single large building vs. many smaller buildings). The quality of the renters would likely be very high and also be the type of people who would eventually look to buy and live in Smyrna permanently. There would likely be minor impact on our schools which is one of the major issues at the other older apartments that cater to families on limited incomes.

Now some of you are going to ask: “What about 10 years from now or 20 or longer?” Well, no one can predict the future, certainly not me, but I can point to examples of other similar apartments such as Post Stratford, Post Biltmore, Post Parkside, etc. now entering their teenage years…they still look as good as they day they opened and they still rent to very high quality residents. You can also find much older apartment facilities in certain areas of downtown that are 40-50 years old and still hold their value and quality renters, not always, but still it is possible with good management and well done projects. I suspect we would have no issues related to age for many years.

I propose to Smyrna Citizens that we approve the apartments but with significant restrictions and requirements. We must require a top notch and reasonable sized project through zoning stipulations and perhaps we can request that at some future point the apartments be converted to condos (although there are some enforcement issues there). I support the citizens in Williams Park who have suggested that the Council establish a citizen’s advisory group specifically for this project. I also agree with the requests for the project to go back to P&Z for an additional public hearing on the latest and greatest plan. If the plan is substantively different than when it previously went through P&Z then we need time to provide our elected officials with feedback on the new plan.

I know that the Mayor and council are taking this project very seriously and I am thankful for the time several members have given me to share my opinions with them privately. Thank you all for taking the time to read this.

Sincerely,

Sean J. Murphy, RLA, LEED AP
Smyrna Resident

Related Topics: Jonquil Plaza

Phil E. Jones

1:02 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Following is a direct quote from Mayor Bacon's 2011 State of the City address. I trust he will not flip-flop on his statement made publically just seven months ago.

Hickory Lake, when it was in its heyday, was the nicest apartment complex in Cobb County,” Bacon said. “Apartment complexes, when they first open up, they’re luxury apartments, they’re great places for people to live, singles and people with families, but then over the years, they just turn into absolutely not a great place for people to live.”

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Neal Dow

10:25 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

He made that statement after accepting a contribution from a PAC for the National Apt. Assoc. and the 2008 apt. moratorium not be renewing.

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C.J.

3:38 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

RE: "Let me ask you this as a hypothetical...do you think there anything that you can build today that won't be dated and need a face lift in 40 or 50 years?

Sean, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by face lift, but both residential and commercial architecture in cities throughout Europe, South America and other parts of the world is frequently created with aesthetics and features intended to be timeless and last centuries, not decades. Having traveled some, the extremely low bar that we set for our new buildings is frustrating. The fact that people are actually excited about a new RaceTrac gasoline station and Kroger strip mall speak volumes about how low our expectations are.

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C.J.

5:41 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

You're right, Sean. I saw where you answered your own question with "almost always no" and replied to that. I should have kept reading. Thanks for the clarification.

Schitzngrins

4:13 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

The key here is sustainability. Unfortunately, live/work/play mixed-use areas aren't really a great long-term living option unless you live in an area where land restrictions &/or population density limits options & necessitates such development.

Living amongst shops & recreation areas is certainly hip/convenient, but eventually the novelty wears off. The constant comings & goings of this type of living eventually becomes a nuisance for many people &, given alternatives, they would opt for the privacy/tranquility of a home or stand-alone apartment/condo/townhome community. So it makes sense to avoid long-term housing options here...especially in an economic environment that is not friendly for buying/selling homes. Apartments are clearly the way to go.

The key is to build the right apartments & stipulate update/renovation requirements to ensure their long-term viability & vitality. If the units were of sufficient size/quality, you could attract the right demographic (young professionals, young families, etc) to fill them. Then when it comes time for these residents to put down roots, they're already here, familiar w/Smyrna & more likely to stay. This sustains the development AND Smyrna. This would also free the units up to back-fill w/new tenants who want to enjoy the same lifestyle. Rinse & repeat. In the meantime, the property is maintained to a set of stringent standards (which the other businesses in the community would have a vested interest in enforcing).

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jals4

7:23 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

How about the traffic impact on this already highly congested intersection? Five days a week I sit through 3 traffic light cycles to get home. Traffic backs up on Atlanta Rd going north past Brawner Hall. I know it is even worse going west on Spring Street. Adding 300 apartments with 450 new cars sounds like a horrible idea to me and if this goes through it will be the nail in the coffin for my family and Smyrna. East Cobb sounds better every day.

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Schitzngrins

8:09 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

Traffic is always a valid concern, but proper site design & the Concord Road project should help alleviate this somewhat. That said, if traffic is your main concern w/this project, then you would not be citing East Cobb as a preferred alternative. Anyone who's traveled any of the major traffic arteries in East Cobb (and some of the minor ones for that matter) knows that East Cobb has horrible traffic. On top of that, East Cobb does not have the ease of access to I75 & I 285 that Smyrna does. Again, traffic is a valid concern, but it would seem that something else is driving your comments.

jals4

9:34 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012

More congestion would just be icing on the cake. No doubt that traffic congestion exists in East Cobb, but they also have excellent schools, quality retail (i.e. trader joes, whole foods, fresh market, the avenues, etc., etc.) and extremely low crime rate. One advantage to living in Smyrna in years past has been the easy access to city and major freeways. However, that easy access has eroded over the years and more apartment units at this major intersection will certainly not help this case. As an engineer I can promise you that it doesn't matter how well the site is designed, as it all comes down to the number of vehicles traveling in and out of the complex (and 300 apartment units produces A LOT of vehicular traffic). So, my point, for five years my family has sacrificed good schools, etc. for shorter commute/easy access to city, but as we watch the one advantage go away, there will be no reason to stay here.

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Michelle

9:30 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

So you honestly think that East Cobb was perfect the first day someone moved there & their schools & shopping were always top notch?! Logic would have it... highly unlikely. It took people moving there, spending money in that area, sending their kids to the local public schools & building homes or apartments in that area for those things to happen. The same thing that Smyrna is trying to do. So why can't Smyrna have the same growing pains & ultimate support that can make it an even better place to live that you are so ready to give E C. Instead of complaining about existing or potential traffic here, the same traffic issues if not worse that E C has, send your kids to our schools, shop in our stores, encourage your neighbor & friends to do the same & support growth that is taking place in Smyrna (business or residential) that will bring in more positive interest to our community. Maybe with that support we can be the new E C, ever think of that. Or, you can run & join the thousands in E C who complain about the traffic, over crowding of schools, & lack of community (or small town feel) that many have moved back to Smyrna to have. As an "Engineer", it would seem that you would understand the need for this type of development & community support of schools & business for any city to be successful. I guess people just don't want to have to work at it & take the leap of faith that we too could be just as successful as E C with a little more support from its citizens.

Matt Sicignano

9:35 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

The current trend towards building apartments is mirroring the housing bubble. Instead of looking forward and predicting demand, developers look backward and try to fill it. That always puts them behind the curve, and is why most builders kept building long after the demand died off, and created a surplus. It's no different with apartments. There will still be apartment construction going on long after the credit crunch eases, and the housing surplus normalizes. And then most people, as history has shown us, will prefer owning. But unlike a single family residence, apartments can't easily be converted from rental to owner occupied. Then what happens? Occupancy drops , rental prices fall and profit evaporates, leading to a relaxing of standards, maintainence issues and so on, to the sort of spiral that Phil quoted in his comment.

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Brian

11:09 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

If they are well-built, conversion happens quite often

Neal Dow

10:27 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

There will be apartments at JV. Bacon and Fennel accepted contributions from The Georgia Better Government Fund a PAC for the National Association of Apartments.

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Neal Dow

10:40 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Michelle. I have probably lived in Cobb Co. longer than you've been alive. Smyrna is a joke in this county. And East Cobb is not under a dictatorial regime like Smyrna. While Smyrna was being called a redneck city East Cobb had been thriving for years. East Cobb has gone forward. Smyrna has gone backwards. All of the retailers SV Patch posters list in their wish list for Smyrna have been in East Cobb for years. And Smyrna schools have never lived up to East Cobb's reputation.

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Michelle

10:56 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Well, ND, you keep your attitude about Smyrna and I will keep mine.....guess we will just have to see how it turns out in the end. Quite frankly, based on the many comments I have seen you post and my suspicion as to who you are....I am not real interested in what you have to say, because its the same old same old and I find it to boring, counter productive and not worth the energy it would take to think you could be persuaded to feel differently. So I will close as I opened this comment......you keep your attitude about Smyrna and I will keep mine.....guess we will just see how it turns out in the end.

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Brian

11:06 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

East Cobb is a sprawling suburb with no sense of place and a playground of people who despise urban lifestyle. There's very little match for it, save San Fernando Valley, in that regard It is full of overcrowded schools that people flocked to in order to supposedly get a better education but were really flocking there on account of demographics. People I have talked to were disappointed its education is pretty identical to Smyrna.

Brian

11:03 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012

I've always been in favor of high-end apartments, not low-end. I also want to see at least a few condos too, however, to create at least a few permanent residents. I suggest that they do that over the main strip of shops.

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Not a Fool

5:32 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Mr. Murphy is spot on with his analysis of the Jonquil site. As a life long resident of the city and a business owner in Smyrna for 25 years, I have some idea of what it takes to have a successful business. People, a good product, and location are essential.
I can provide two of those, but the surrounding population is out of my control.

The Jonquil site has sat vacant for too long and now we have someone interested in building a quality development on this site. I have supported the city's ban on building apartments since it was first enacted, and it has been successful in improving the look of our city, but current economic conditions and the changing demographics of our area now show a need for high end residential apartments as described by Mr. Murphy.

With home prices so low, building and trying to sell high condos or town homes would be very difficult. Let’s not miss this opportunity too have this eyesore turned into an attractive, viable, mixed use development.

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Smyna Res

2:47 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

100% agree with what Mr. Murphy has said here. I really wish people would stop with this illusion that all apartments are the same. If done right, they will bring a demographic (young professionals and empty nesters) that we desperately need more of here in Smyrna.

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anryms

5:57 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Just a few questions and then some thoughts.
1-How will apartments have a positive impact on my house value? Can anyone show one example of an apartment complex having a positive impact on surrounding property values anywhere and dont say something like New York City.
2- How will apartments have a positive impact on our local schools which are subpar to say the least. If you dont agree go check the facts. You can look up all the scores for schools from a recent issue of the Atlanta business chronicle. Our schools especially those in the heart of Smyrna are bad and although we are getting a new school we will still have the same under performing students.
Now some thoughts-
1-Sean Murphy obviously has a stake in getting apartments built there why should anyone listen to someone like him who is trying to sell their postion at our expense.
2- IF this is going to happen Smyrna should adopt an Apartment rule which is that in order to build one unit they must remove one unit in Smyrna. (This excludes Harmony Lakes) Basically going forward its ok to build apartments but the city must guarantee they will remove other apartment units within a 2 year time frame. This city is litered with old apartment complexes.
3- Smyrna needs a long term vision for the city by creating two Sucsessful districts 1-A Business District / 2-A Entertainment/shopping District- ( Ask yourself what is Smyrna known for and why should someone outside Smyrna want to move here or spend money here?)

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Neal Dow

6:15 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Questions
1. They won't.
2. They won't.
Thoughts
1. Very good question. Some would say why listen to him at all.
2. Rules don't mean anything in Smyrna.
3. Smyrna has no long-term vision and never will. You have a short-sighted mayor.

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Schitzngrins

7:21 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

Questions 1&2 - It's clear that you did not read past the title or you skipped a large portion of the article and comments b/c the questions you ask have already been addressed for the most part.

Thought 1 - We should "listen to someone like him" b/c he's a fellow resident who has an informed, professional opinion on the subject. If you do not agree, that's fine, but your characterization is completely ridiculous.

Thought 2 - I don't see anything wrong w/that type of policy.

Thought 3 - I'd agree that we need a long-term vision, but I don't necessarily agree that things need to be segmented into set districts. Also, you could create the districts, but you can't guarantee they'd be successful. All we can do is provide an environment that fosters success and hope for the best. Of course, unless you're living in an isolated, pocket community I'd love to hear how you propose this success w/o high-end apartments. As for what Smyrna is known for, it's known for its proximity to downtown and ease of access to major highways. These are very attractive qualities that VERY FEW other communities can offer. The rest will correct itself if we capitalize on these things w/the right mix of development. Do this and we are uniquely positioned to have a very prosperous community.

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Smyna Res

7:50 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

1. Well, at this point, any reasonable development at JV will have a positive impact on your house value as compared to the status quo. I think it would be hard to argue that any reasonable development on that site is going to actually hurt your property value. I would point to West Village. I'm not going to pull tax records, but I think most would agree that the West Village development has improved, not hurt property values in that area.

2. I don't think these apartments would be targeting families with kids. I think they would be more like WV - young professionals. In my opinion, you get more young professionals here for cost of living and access to Atlanta while they are young and hopefully they stay and buy a house when they get married/older. I think that sort of demographic will have a positive impact on the schools over time.

Thoughts:
1. Look, the guy seems like he knows what he is talking about. I don't think that trying to shush people with industry knowledge is an intelligent strategy towards making the best decision here. Disagree with him if you want to, but throwing out his commentary seems foolish.
2. No problem with that policy.
3. I am young, married, educated and thankfully successful so far in life. I moved to Smyrna because the cost of living here is reasonable and provides great access to the city. I am thinking of moving because I think this, and other development in this city will be forever stalled by its citizens. Just being honest.

L. Davis

7:15 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

I would like to see the Willams Park Neighborhood make a comment. Rentals would have the biggest impact on WPN. Whatever is done with JV would have the biggest impact on their neighborhood.

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Smyna Res

7:52 pm on Monday, February 13, 2012

No - it will have a big impact on all of Smyrna, not just their neighborhood. I appreciate that they are physically the closest (well, some of the neighborhood is), but I don't think their opinion trumps any others in the immediate vicinity, which I would define as about 1.5-2.0 miles in all directions of JV.

Freya Stark

5:54 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

The author of this opinion piece is a member of the Downtown Development Authority. Is he speaking for himself or the Development Authority which answers to the mayor. I believe he has a hidden agenda. I believe he's speaking on behalf of the city to sway public opinion.

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Michelle

6:44 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Your right Ms. Stark, Mr. Murphy does have an agenda...which is to ensure that the community he has chosen to raise his family in, own his home in and actively participate in continue to be successful and something "we" can be proud to call home. Your implication of anything else is false and to state that publicly borders being liable. Mr. Murphy was APPOINTED to the DDA which is a VOLUNTEER position, nothing more, nothing less. If you would like to intelligently comment on what his intentions or agenda may be, then we invite you to our home or the local coffee shop to learn the truth before you speak of false accusations. ps...read the article...he is speaking as a citizen and as someone who is in the profession of development and understands the impact of this project. In addition....read his follow up comments and you will see that he personally does not want apartments, but there really is no other option in this current housing market.

David

10:44 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012

Thanks SJM for taking the time to share your thoughts. That was one of the better opinion pieces I've read on this site. It was well thought-out, thorough and informative (certainly a lot more than can be said for the "snipers"). I, and I'm sure most of the other readers on this board, appreciate your input.

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Neal Dow

10:03 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012

From The Council Meeting Agenda for February 20th. 4. (A) Public Hearing - Zoning Amendment Request Z12-001........Land Lots 559 and 594.......Branch Capital Partners....To be withdrawn without prejudice.
Has Branch pulled out of JV?

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Tyler Pike

2:35 pm on Thursday, March 15, 2012

There are PLENTY of multi-family housing units available in and around Smyrna. Fill those up first, then bring plans for more as required. This is the epicentre of our city. We need aesthetic retail and downtown environment, not more clustering of multi-family units that will ABSOLUTELY deteriorate over time. There is another option in the current housing market... NO MORE Housing. Zone it straight mercantile. Williams Park is already surrounded by apartments.

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