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The Truth about the Spring Road RaceTrac

As a home owner who lives in walking distance from the new RaceTrac on Spring Road I am personally affected by the new RaceTrac; here are few of my thoughts on the subject. .

As a home owner who lives in walking distance from the new RaceTrac on Spring Road I am personally affected by the new construction and after a gamut of comments from Leo Smith's article on Patch the other day I figured I would chime in with a few thoughts of my own.

1. RaceTrac is as local as it gets.

RaceTrac is a Georgia based company who’s national headquarters and corporate office is right here in Smyrna (off Cumberland Blvd.). If you are into supporting “local” businesses, it doesn’t get much more local than that.

I love our local establishments like Rev coffee, Lucky 13 Pizza (across from the new RaceTrac), and Atkins Park Tavern.  It’s little eateries and shops like these that make a community great, but as a local economy – the RaceTrac is helping a lot of people. 

2. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs.

The new RaceTrac station is providing jobs to over a dozen individuals, many of which were raised and educated right here in Smyrna. In addition, their corporate HQ provides another couple dozen jobs.  There aren’t many local businesses in the area that can boast those kinds of stats.

3. It’s an anchor for local businesses already there.

The RaceTrac is good for existing businesses too.  If you haven’t already noticed there are a handful of amazing businesses across the way from the RaceTrac and behind it – many of which I’m guessing no one even noticed until they had a reason to stop for gas. (Please, check them out!)

When you bring in a popular brand to anchor an area it typically helps the surrounding businesses by giving local Cobb residents a reason to stop in the first place.  My guess is that the additional foot traffic brought in by the RaceTrac will probably lead to at least a few customers dropping by the local shops and eateries too.

4. It’s better than what was there before.

After driving past what seemed to be an abandoned motel and a large cobalt blue bulding for the past couple of years, I for one, am happy to see a nicely landscaped and thriving business there presently.  

So if you want to support a beautiful and thriving "entrance to Smyrna" vote with your feet and come on by.  Just make your way accross the street next time you stop for gas at the RaceTrac. We have a few small businesses that deserve your business.  

Michelle November 4, 2012 at 02:56 am
Hi Oscar, hope you are well. Reading through this thread, reminded me of a previous comment you made regarding the city snubbing their nose to businesses...should the city have done the same thing to RT because it was a gas station? Just curious what your position is as you know I LOVE to have clarification on comments that others make. I especially was curious about the comment as stated by you, "because they're not exactly what they're looking for." Should we focus on bringing business and not snubbing them or should we snub them and not have the business which creates jobs and tax revenue? I am a little confused on your exact position regarding this issue. As usual..it's a pleasure. :)
"Oscar G. 9:46 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 I'll tell ya..In a previous thread, it was discussed that Smyrna won't "allow" box stores to come into the city limits. This article quotes Teri A. as saying: "“The offer from the big box store that was named in the letter of intent was only for a portion of the property.” Which lets me know that immediately the proposal was rejected for that reason, IF for no other. We cannot expect to financially recover and certainly bring any sort of employment opportunities to Smyrna if the council continually snubs their noses at businesses because they're not "exactly what they're looking for." It appears that the council is utterly myopic and lacks the ability at this point to move Smyrna's economy forward. It's disturbing. Very disturbing."
30080 November 4, 2012 at 04:22 pm
RaceTrac Rezoning Request Withdrawn from County
http://northdruidhills.patch.com/articles/racetrac-rezoning-request-withdrawn-from-county Two issues that have never been addressed - exposure and runoff because of gasoline products and ability to sell alcohol because of location between a school and church.
Oscar G. November 4, 2012 at 05:49 pm
Thank you for posting this, 30080.
This is the kind of "Community Vigilance" that Ward 1 so desperately needed, but it's too late now. We're stuck with that big neon glitter. Ugh.
MA Evans November 4, 2012 at 06:02 pm
I don't like RT's predatory pricing. It's been known to price below cost then run the price up to drive away competitors. In FL it defended the practice on the grounds that the number of competitors it drove out of business wasn't large enough to meet the criteria of the law
Oscar G. November 4, 2012 at 06:11 pm
on the council's mind when allowing this to be built there.
I believe that we need to plan accordingly for the growth of the city. Much like you would plan for a garden. Nothing can grow here now because of that Big Neon Glitter. That gives the distinct impression that the city has cut their nose off, OUR noses more specifically, to spite our face. You didn't want a liquor store in YOUR neighborhood anymore than we wanted this circus tent in ours. And I may be mistaken, but I don't think the city owned the Spring Rd. properties. We weren't on the line for anything monetarily. RT will not improve the quality of life, the value of the homes, the "face" of Smyrna. And no business of substance will ever build anywhere near that place. There was a clear lack of long term, big picture vision by allowing it be built there. Those of us opposed to RT realize that this hideous beast is here for the long haul. Much to our dismay. But please do not expect that when someone publicly chants and cheers for it as some benchmark of our city that it won't be countered by those of an opposing POV. There is a difference between the Dunton St. property and Spring Rd. Trying to manipulate or misrepresent what's been said, or take comments out of context doesn't change that or make it any less true.
Oscar G. November 4, 2012 at 06:18 pm
I noticed today that all the stations close to RT have the same prices for gas.
We can go to which ever station we prefer at this point and pay the same at the pump.
Inside-Out November 5, 2012 at 01:01 am
I go for the yogurt and spend my money there to Thank them for coming into Smyrna.
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 01:48 am
Oh Oscar, there you go again...feeling irritated by my posing questions of clarification on comments you made. I'm sorry. :( I don't believe I have taken anything out of context, either you want the city to accept businesses or you want them to not and based on your comment in this other thread, it would appear to me you want the city to accept businesses. I was just giving you the opportunity to clarify my misunderstanding to that mindset if in fact there was one. I guess if the city chooses business that don't fit your POV then it's a problem, but if it's something you approve everything is perfect. Sounds kind of like the rest of us in the efforts we have made...if we like it we are "cheerleaders" for it, if we don't, we come together as a neighborhood, voice our concerns and sometimes win (preventing another liquor store to open at the entrance of our neighborhood) or sometimes lose our request (closing of roads with the concord widening), either way, we come together as a neighborhood and actively try and make things better in a respectful and professional manner. >>>>
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 01:50 am
Which brings me to another topic to address, my "self appointed SHN mouthpiece" of a husband. Surely that is not an indirect personal attack on him because you have made it very clear how you feel when someone does that as well as offered excellent advice as to "stay classy", I know you would ALWAYS practice what you preach, right?!? :) Anyway, yes, usually when you create a neighborhood association for the sole purpose to unite and bring a voice to your community or neighborhood, you do have a tendency to be the "mouthpiece" and are "self appointed" because you created it. Since this seems to bother you, may I suggest you start your own and then you could do the same verses hiding behind a computer. Or not, which ever works best for you. Since times have changed, he is no longer the sole "mouthpiece" for our neighborhood, but that really is irrelevant, nor is he on the DDA. As for what was potentially going to happen in our neighborhood verses yours is also irrelevant because that was not my question or comment, nor was that the subject in this article. >>>>
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 01:51 am
However, you are right and wrong about a few things but allow me to clear them up because I genuinely care about you being well informed with facts. As for the potential liquor store that may have happened at the entrance of our neighborhood, there were MANY residents that opposed this and I was definitely one of them, my husband was on the fence (yep, we actually disagree about things...shocking). We brought our concerns to our council, mayor, city manager and the representative for the potential buyer and were successful in expressing that would not be the best fit for our area. It's amazing what can be accomplished with a little politeness, professionalism and respect. :) As for my husband's "suggestions" as to what to do with the property, we could only wish he had that much influence, because I can assure you there would be many things different in this city that we don't like, but that in fact is the farthest thing from the truth. Sorry to disappoint you on his lack of power or influence. >>>>
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 01:52 am
So to sum this up since you felt the need to take it to a place way of course from the original article and question, you are clearly in opposition of the RT and the business, jobs, and revenue that it brings to this city, inspite of the criticisms of the city for "snubbing" other businesses, regardless of their size or reasoning...and last time I checked, a Wal-mart and RT are not even close to the same "big box" merchants. Allow me to follow up with your other comment in that thread as copied below and actually agree with you that "some money coming in is better than no money coming in". Amen to that!!!! Stay classy Oscar as my "thinly veiled snarkiness" will stay classy too. :)
"Oscar G. 12:03 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012 Some money coming in is better than no money coming in. It doesn't take a Nobel Prize Winning Economist to realize that fact. We are in a deeply recessed economy. It is foolish to continually turn away revenue simply because it's not another Lockheed Martin or some such manufacturer. If as a council they are not going to accept these bids, they should tell we the people "why not?" All the speculation would die off if we could just get a straight forward answer. I for one am tired of hearing about what "could've" been." WOW...that was a lot to say. Sorry to be so long winded....but we always seem to have such stimulating exchanges. Enjoy your evening.
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 02:36 am
Alex...I'm your neighbor, I will buy you a muffin. I hate to see any one feel unhappy or cheated. Maybe I will even splurge and buy your gas (even though I prefer QT or Kroger), I am a firm believer in Paying It Forward. :)
Oscar G. November 5, 2012 at 03:38 am
Again, Michelle, snarkiness and distortion of comments and facts.
I could just as easily go back from earlier threads and pull comments to toss out, (including ones that specifically clarify your husband's position as the SH mouthpiece) if my position wasn't strong. Which apparently yours isn't. It is arrogant and frankly tacky to assume that I'm "only hiding behind a computer." And incorrect. But that's neither here nor there. The only reason I mentioned him, SH, or the DDA at all was because YOU felt a need to rehash that thread and take things out of context. AGAIN. I have a tremendous problem with the hypocrisy of Smyrna's gov't, no question about it. Your liquor store and our Big Neon Glitter are prime examples. Which I thought I'd made clear. Apparently not. I do not believe for one minute your supposed politeness to the "powers that be" had even one shred of influence on that liquor store going in or not. You believe whatever you choose. Facts remain facts. There is no debating facts. Its becoming more commonplace for people to attempt to debate FACTS when they're losing ground. It's ridiculous. Clarification is one thing, but to insist that something isn't what we know it is, that's just wagging the dog. And the facts remain that Ward 1 did not need, nor really want that bloody gas station. Fact: most people here are not involved in local gov't, hence us being saddled with that glowing eyesore. Fact: there was another signalized intersection>>>
Oscar G. November 5, 2012 at 03:49 am
one traffic light down, where Dos Amigos is right now. RT could've easily converted that location into a new gas station, with less effort and less damage to the environment. But again, we had Mellany Pritchett's hands all in this mess. RT will in all likelihood outlast that hideous Mexican place. And then, the property will sit empty once again. But that wouldn't have been the case if RT had built there instead.
And, we'd have good locations for real businesses to build there. Drawing real jobs, nice architecture, landscaping, something..anything better than RT! And now, we're stuck with the Big Neon Glitter. And no hope of anything substantial coming in there. As a consumer, I don't care for RT, and I never have. But I understand commerce. It's the location of that glorified gas station that, to me, is the most problematic. One light down, and I wouldn't have had a word to say. But having it directly in front of that apartment complex, which BTW, a few SPD have indicated to me is a big concern for them as well, along with having it across the street from a residential neighborhood is nothing but bad planning. PERIOD. And it shows, yet again, how poorly the "powers that be" think things thru, and how little they really care for the residents they were Elected to Serve. It's disgusting. And I think this horse has been ridden as far as it can go. There's nothing else to say.
Oscar G. November 5, 2012 at 03:52 am
Oh..and they never said Why Not?
The council doesn't care about it's citizens. At least not in Ward 1. And we have the Circus tent to prove it.
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 04:36 am
Oscar, you still have missed the point that you specifically state that the city should not snub businesses and we need revenue, regardless of who it is, unless it is RT or something that does not make you happy. If any one is "losing ground", it would appear to me that would be individuals who regularly need to divert the attention of facts to making comments about others in a negative tone in a thread unrelated to them or the original issue discussed. I can assure you that the method taken to encourage a liquor store to not open at the entrance of our neighborhood happened because yes, MANY (clearly I need to repeat myself) voiced our concerns to the appropriate people in a manner that is dignified and the outcome was favorable. Based on your comment of the lack of people involved in your ward, the same did not happen for you. That must be discouraging. >>>>
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 04:36 am
Fortunately, because that "self-appointed mouth piece of a husband" created a neighborhood association years ago, we were able to come together and unite in opposition and that sent a message to the appropriate people which created success in our efforts. Maybe instead of expressing contempt for citizens who only have the best and honest intentions to better their neighborhood and community, you could politely ask for suggestions in how to achieve such an accomplishment and prevent future things from happening in your ward that make you unhappy. As for hiding behind the computer...I believe I have extended the olive branch before and will again...would love to meet you any time at Rev (but definitely not RT) for a beverage of your choice and a nice civil chat or we can hide behind our computers. Better yet, you bring your two dogs, I will bring my ill behaved kids and we can walk the paths of TB park and pontificate about ALL things Smyrna. As usual Oscar, I wish you well and can only anticipate an opportunity to engage in conversation beyond the screen of technology. :)
Michelle November 5, 2012 at 04:39 am
Then maybe you should move to Ward 4. We would love to have you as a neighbor. :)
Open Your Eyes November 6, 2012 at 12:24 am
OG many of your comments are negative and they don't result in any positive change for this City. People like Mr. and Mrs. Murphy have been a force for positive change in Smyrna. Alternatively, people like you think the answer is to gripe and moan all day on some website where you can hide behind the anonymity it affords you.
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Richard Steiner November 6, 2012 at 10:03 pm
But that's the free market at work, isn't it? In an ideal Republican world, you'd see that all over the place, in all markets. The large undercutting the small, until there is only one business in each business category. Then we all win. Right?
Tamatha Krier November 7, 2012 at 05:11 pm
I live next door to the Racetrac that was built & it has made it extremely dangerous to get out of our apartments especially in the morning. I have sat for 10-15 minutes just trying to get to the front of the exit. I have to turn left to get my daughter to school. I have twice now almost been in an accident, with my child in the car! Did they not consider that this would be dangerous putting an exit only feet away from our entrance? I am so digusted that I want to move!
tara hands November 12, 2012 at 03:21 am
I'm trying to convince Smyrna Mayor Bacon to have his crew remove the two 45 mph speed signs near RT and Argyle Elementary School. How about helping out by calling his office and suggesting the same idea? Tara
Smyrnan November 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm
That RaceTrac is the crown jewel of Smyrna. You'll now be blasted for saying anything negative about it. Tamatha - it's unfortunate but you're on your own when you leave you apartments. You may have to start turning right then make a u-turn to avoid an accident. Tara - the mayor doesn't listen to the citizens of this city. Those speed signs will never be moved.
30080 November 12, 2012 at 01:31 pm
Tamatha & Tara - That's in Ward 1. Contact Councilwoman & Mayor Pro Tem Melleny Pritchett 770-319-5306 mpritchett@smyrnaga.gov with your issues about RT. Good luck.
Chris Long November 12, 2012 at 01:39 pm
Yes, it's the crown jewel, that's what this is all about. Riiiight. Funny that you mention her getting blasted, but her comment's been up for over 4 days & nobody's said a word. That's probably b/c of all the objections to the RT store, hers is the only one that has any substance. Ingress/egress was always a concern about that location. The rest of the opposition to the store is just noise.
Chris Long November 12, 2012 at 01:56 pm
People will speed everywhere, but in the 5 years I've lived off Spring Road in that area, I can count on my hands the number of times I've thought someone was speeding excessively. What I can't count any more b/c the number is too high are the times where I wanted to scream b/c people wouldn't go over 35-40. Even though the signs say 45, most people tend to drive it as if it were a 35 zone. & there are enough stop lights, & traffic during peak times, to break things up.
tara hands November 12, 2012 at 04:07 pm
Tara
I started in Aug. at city council meeting re removing speed signs by RT. Did the rounds with 2 council members and the Smyrna road staff, then the county who emailed me to contact the mayor, which I did again in writing. Now I've contacted Argyle Principal and parents. Call Mayor Bacon at 770-431-2842 this week..
Leo Smith November 12, 2012 at 07:35 pm
How does the School Zone Speed Restrictions already there come into play with your area of concern? Feel free to contact me offline if I can help. Else - If you haven't reached out to Councilwoman Pritchett I ditto 30080 that you and Ms. Krier should do so.
Matt Hayllar November 21, 2012 at 08:20 pm
I agree with the author on all counts except for it being "beautiful"... A park is beautiful. It looks sort of like a space ship landed there. But yes, when I am pumping gas, I actually glance over at pro percussion now and think about my drum stick situation, which I never did before. I was originally concerned about the traffic it would create, but if anything it seems to have helped the area by shifting some of the traffic that was once clogged around the "QT cluster of doom" back over there. Plus, they're utilizing a light that was already there. I can certainly understand the situation of the people who can't turn left out of Jasmine Apts now. But I honestly can't even think of a way to fix that without making it an empty lot again. I'd hang a right and use the light at the BK to turn around at rush hour.
I am loving the price war that is happening between QT and Racetrac. I like to picture them grumbling expletives as they look at each other's ever-changing regular unleaded price through binoculars -- to the benefit of us all. Ah, the smell of capitalism in the morning.

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