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VIDEO: Mayor Offers Updates on Jonquil Plaza, Hickory Lake, Other Properties

Tuesday Mayor Max Bacon addressed the Smyrna Rotary Club about some of the developments around the city.

Read more about some of the developments Mayor Max Bacon mentions in the video:

Michelle August 30, 2012 at 04:06 PM
Thank you for your own thought provoking and merited comment. You mention that you know the answer. Please share with the rest of us that apparently are in the dark. Wisdom is powerful and you seem to have it, so enlighten the rest of us. Thanks. :)
Chris Long August 30, 2012 at 06:13 PM
Alex, I tend to agree w/a lot of what you say, but you know this isn't a pissing contest. & it's ironic that you take a condescending & sarcastic tone w/everyone to tell them that they are a bunch of "kids" behaving improperly, while asking for/expecting decorum & a higher level of discourse. At any rate, you (& a few others) normally post a lot valid grievances w/the city, & that's great b/c it's often necessary. However, while you do it productively w/logical & fact-based posts (you even going so far as to run for office), you know there's a group of posters here who neglect anything good in the city, complain for the sake of complaining & pursue a singular goal of tearing down the city & its employees at all costs. It's unfortunate that productive discussion gets clouded or drowned out by this, but I would think someone as invested & engaged in the city as you are would be just as inclined to rebut their drivel (especially given that too often it's half-truths, misinformation or sometimes lies).
Chris Long August 30, 2012 at 06:29 PM
As for your "food for thought" question, you know there isn't going to be a lot of industry/commerce locating in Smyrna, & you know why...& you know it doesn't need to for Smyrna to thrive. There are plenty of metro locations that already have real estate parcels well suited for industrial/commercial ventures, whereas they'd have to retrofit/build from scratch here in Smyrna. You also know that nobody is going to build speculative industrial/commercial parks in this economic climate. So, unless the city builds these things, it's highly unlikely to happen. & you know that if that were to happen, you'd be one of the loudest voices complaining that the city was misuing tax dollars. The kicker is, Smyrna doesn't need these things in our backyard to thrive. We are right on I75/I285 & can be anywhere in the Metro for work in a reasonable time. For example, I've worked in Norcross for the last 5 yrs, & it takes me 30 minutes or less to make the 19 mile trip (occasionally 40-45, but that's rare). People can work anywhere in the metro, & come home to a quaint community. All we really need are enough good restaurants/retail/service/medical businesses to support our community & improve the quality of life.the rest. & we can repurpose existing vacancies for these things. This is exactly what happens in East Cobb & areas like it. If they can thrive, we can do better b/c they don't have the luxury of our location.
Alex August 30, 2012 at 07:03 PM
Michelle, while I agree with you that wisdom is indeed powerful, I feel it need be obtained by the individual through their own means & not through the collective. I also know, that any answer I give that doesn’t align itself with the wisdom of the collective, will be met with serious doubt. And that’s perfectly acceptable to me for anyone to doubt my answer. We ought question what were told & by whom we’re told. So while me giving the answer would be easiest, I feel it better if people go look for themselves. I’m left scratching my head when I read about national firms that bring quality jobs relocating to other Cobb cities & not Smyrna, when Smyrna offers considerably more in terms of housing, quality of life, municipal services, etc.
Alex August 30, 2012 at 07:05 PM
Chris, what agitates me is this. There are those who bring ideas to the table to fix a problem they see in our city & those who vocalize a concern about something they feel could harm the city’s interest. However, what has, is, and will continue to happen is that those ideas and concerns will be drowned out by this tiresome shouting match between those who continually make assertions that our gov’t leaders have committed a crime and by those who go around thumping their chests because they do this or that for the city. Why can’t someone like Oscar come here and say he feels the city isn’t being led in the right direction without someone snarling at him with claws demanding he give his reasons? And why can’t someone like Sean M (sorry dude, I can’t keep up with all your handles) come here and share his support for an idea or person without someone berating him for being this or that?
Smyrnan August 30, 2012 at 07:40 PM
Alex - Sean Murphy has gotten people banned from Patch. He works for the city. If he were a citizen giving his opinion there would be no problem. The problem is that he represents the city. His job is to shut us up and shut us down. The fact that companies aren't locating in Smyrna is not peculiar to this city. It has become a problem in Cobb Co. also. Smyrna and Cobb are in decline. Businesses are not locating here. They're locating in other parts of the metro area and the state. We want our city leaders to lead. They do not. They won't even speak. One town hall meeting in 27 years in unacceptable. Bacon is the antithesis of a mayor. Re-read what I just wrote. We want. I'm struggling for words to expression my disbelief that we would be attacked for asking our leaders to lead. Do something. Speak to us. There's eight of you and 50,000+ of us. If you could admit to the wisdom that could be gotten from your own constituents every problem could be solved in this city. Smyrnans are not stupid. They have just been silenced. I think UCB is the largest employer. My guess for the latest company to locate here would be Glock in 1985. Now bring on the insults. I'll post them myself if you'd like to save your time for other activities.
Chris Long August 30, 2012 at 08:37 PM
Smyrnan, name one person that Sean Murphy has gotten banned from the Patch. You cannot. If anyone has gotten banned from the Patch it's been b/c of their own behavior. As for SM working for Smyrna, he doesn't, & that's been discussed ad nauseam. He has an affiliation w/the city b/c he serves on an advisory board (which is not secret & he's spoke of many times), but this does not put him on the payroll. A not-so-subtle nuance that is apparently lost on you. & as far as his "job" being to "shut us up & shut us down", I don't believe I've ever seen "Goon Squad Henchman" listed on any city job posting. Heck, even if he were in the city's employ, he IS a citizen of Smyrna, so as you say, giving his opinion is no problem. I'm not surprised that you're struggling for words that you are "attacked" for asking our leaders to lead, b/c it's hard to quantify something that is not happening. Nobody's being "silenced", & nobody's ever been "attacked" for asking. This ridiculous hyperbole serve no one...least of all you. If you want to be taken seriously, stick to reality. You'd find that you may have a more receptive audience that way.
Mike - Smyrna August 30, 2012 at 09:12 PM
A number of you need to calm down and be thankful what you have. Your mother would be ashamed aka embarrassed at the way you are behaving. PS – Say a pray for the people on the Gulf Coast
Brian August 30, 2012 at 09:43 PM
30080, the reason that JV isn't built is because people rejected the latest plan that Branch properties came out with, and Branch withdrew it. The reason people rejected it was concern over the fact it was really just a stripmall with mid-rise apartments over a parking garage next to it, which wasn't really the idea people had of "mixed-use". People also had concerns over the fact that the city had just purchased and torn down older apartments. However, I think we could have gotten past that had JV's new plan not been more of a glorified stripmall. Keep in mind the original plan prior to Branch buying it was something that would have been nationally recognized, like West Village or Ivy Walk. I don't think citizens were willing to drop their standards that much. Yes, because of the market density has to be lower, but citizens are hoping for the same kind of spirit of the original plan, just scaled down.
Chris Long August 30, 2012 at 09:45 PM
Alex, you're absolutely right, ad hominems often derail many discussions nowadays. Too much emotion & not enough logic. Ad hominem arguments are easier than actually having a thoughtful debate, & sometimes the only recourse when someone cannot make a substantive (or factual) point. You're also right in that not everyone sees the problems (some deliberately overlook them), & not everyone has the answers, so voicing opinions/concerns is necessary. All this being said, there's a big difference between voicing opinions/concerns & constant, unproductive complaining for the sake of complaining. There's an even bigger difference between voicing opinions/concerns & spreading lies or misinformation that is only loosely based in truth.
Chris Long August 30, 2012 at 09:46 PM
The problem here for the most part is that there is a certain group continually parrots the same tired tripe over & over, even though it's been addressed &/or debunked ad nauseam. They have no interest in discussion, they just want to push a "Smyrna Sux" agenda. You've been on this site at least as long as I have, so you've seen it. These are the same people who routinely go after Sean or anyone else they perceive as a supporter of the city. & occasionally new people will stop in & think that that group is being persecuted b/c people won't put up w/their crap, but they quickly notice the pattern for what it is. As for those who just gripe, there's nothing necessarily wrong w/this. However, it doesn't surprise me that people take swipes @ posters like that b/c griping continuously w/o recognizing anything positive gets old & irritating. Constantly cheerleading for Smyrna w/o recognizing its problems would have the same effect. The difference is, there isn't anyone here who thinks that Smyrna is w/o problem--even the biggest supporters know that this city needs work. & in the end nobody has to provide justification for their opinions, but not providing justification invites blowback (especially if the opinions are provocative).
Brian August 30, 2012 at 09:59 PM
I think the ceaseless whining and complaining is because some people can't handle Smyrna turning into another Yuppieville, which was set in motion long before I got here and other than location part of why I'm here. I'm a yuppie as well. Fiscal conservatives can't handle Smyrna doing the things it needs to do in order to attract wealthy people, such as "wasteful" spending for medians and to remove eyesores (I don't consider that a waste) along with not understanding politics and why the council has to compromise with the mayor. Two-thirds of the council is new, by the way, including my Ward 7 representative Ron Fennel. I think some of the complainers are upset by the perceived lack of transparency in their mind when they, like me, could go to community development and ask questions or look over the budget. However, on a post like this complaining about transparency is pointless since Max Bacon was being transparent about what's going on. Another group I think is just upset that Smyrna is no longer a suburban town and trending towards being a small city with many of the good and bad that makes a city - the good again tending to attract yuppies. Then there are complaints about schools not being as good as East Cobb when they are not in the city's control and have been improving significantly (King Springs is now one of the best test scores in the county, and every other school has been improving).
Brian August 30, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Then some complain the city's not removing eyesores and planting trees fast enough, quite to the contrary of those complaining the city is spending too much.
Michelle August 31, 2012 at 12:41 AM
Well Alex, I guess many of us will continue to be with out the answers or continually make false accusations about the problems. I personally was hoping to hear a different perspective and one that would come from somebody who ran for council - that may have a different perspective. Oh well. As for businesses not coming here....you and I have exchanged our feelings on this topic, so there is no need to recap that. :) BTW....we are looking for dedicated volunteers at Brown Elementary if you would like to come help.
Pam J August 31, 2012 at 01:45 AM
Max Bacon has probably lived here a lot longer than any of you have. I have lived in Smyrna, Marietta, and Austell my entire 59 years here on earth. My mother worked at the Smyrna Post Office for 31 years and Max was the postmaster there for awhile. What has happened with all of the vacant properties is a product of the economy. The same thing has happened everywhere. It can't be easy being the Mayor of a city so diverse as Smyrna (and I'm talking about houses, not people).
Alex August 31, 2012 at 02:06 AM
Michelle, Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't recall ever making any type of accusation against anyone here on Patch (other than calling out the childish behavior) or against a member of the council. And if I ever were to do that, I certainly wouldn't do it on Patch. And I'm pretty sure most everyone here knows exactly where I stand when it comes to Smyrna, both good & bad, and why I ran for council. And thank you for the invite.
Michelle August 31, 2012 at 02:50 AM
No misunderstanding Alex, nor were you accused of anything (the comment was based on "others" that post false information or accusations and may have benefited from your knowledge)...you mentioned that you knew the answer...I was just hoping to hear it. You feel otherwise. No worries. It's all good. :) Hope to see you around Brown. :)
MS August 31, 2012 at 01:08 PM
Another update. Cumberland CID bypasses Smyrna. http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story/19986891/article-Cumberland-CID-to-consider-expansion?instance=home_top_bullets Ott suggested looking at tthe section north of Windy Hill Road, east of I-75 and south of Delk and Powers Ferry roads. That leaves Smyrna out of the Cumberland CID. Leithead said. “If we go into the city to work with that city, then we would have to have a relationship there." Marietta was mentioned as a city they could possibly work with. Smyrna was not. Smyrna needs to expand and develop. It's broken and the CID could have been a fix.
MS August 31, 2012 at 01:13 PM
Bacon has destroyed himself with self abuse. He's going down which is his problem but he's taking the city with him which is our problem. Until he's out of office and a leader is elected mayor there is no hope for Smyrna. It will continue on this downward spiral.
226 August 31, 2012 at 01:26 PM
The reason that smyrna was not mentioned because the Cumberland CID is interested in moving into the Powers Ferry Rd area which is not in Smyrna. Also, the areas of Smyrna that border the Cumberland CID in the northern sector are all residential. Are you suggesting that Smyrna begin to annex areas of unincorporated Cobb County in the Cumberland mall area? Neither Cobb or the CID would let that happen.
Michelle August 31, 2012 at 01:42 PM
“Right now we operate entirely in unincorporated Cobb County,” Leithead said. “If we go into the city to work with that city, then we would have to have a relationship there. I’m not saying it’s bad, it’s just a consideration.” It helps to understand the information when you are provided the whole statement. :) Ott said he preferred that the CID stop at the Delk Road boundary rather than the city. Hmmm...maybe Ott needs to explain "his preference" more before we speculate. Looks like Smyrna is not the ONLY backwards city in Atlanta. :/ When voters resoundingly rejected the $8.5 billion TSPLOST tax on July 31, Atlanta columnist Maria Saporta quoted Leinberger as saying the region was going backwards. “By rejecting this, the Atlanta region has shown that it is firmly committed to the 1980s economy. Atlanta has soundly voted for driving 30-40 miles a day and to living in large, single-family lots. It’s the same-old, same-old.” Read more: The Marietta Daily Journal - Cumberland CID to consider expansion
R. Anderson August 31, 2012 at 11:15 PM
CL. Name one person Sean Murphy has gotten banned from Patch? Mary Kirkendoll.
Chris Long September 01, 2012 at 12:15 AM
SUUUURVEEEY SAYS?!? AAAAARRRRRRNNNNTTT! Try again, RA. No matter how many times you say that, it willnever be true. Mary got herself banned. & for a banned person she's quite a prolific writer w/@ least 2 feature op eds & 1 update. & not surprisingly those rants were carbon copies of all her previous rants.
Brian September 03, 2012 at 04:02 AM
Michelle: With governments, it's all about asking the right people and right questions. There is a place called Community Development. It's in the Taylor Brawner House. They usually know what's going on and follow process versus being encumbered with politics.
Brian September 03, 2012 at 04:15 AM
Please stop trolling. There's a difference between offering useful comments and input and just constantly beating something into the ground on a certain position without providing facts, and objective viewpoints. These seems like more of a personal attack on the mayor than anything useful. I don't see one fact in this whole comment. These posts are distracting to people that are trying to have a valid dialogue.
Brian September 03, 2012 at 04:18 AM
MS: There is no mention of Smyrna in that article and you spout things as if it's a quote from the article with no basis. I consider this borderline trolling. You know, Sandy Springs borders the CID almost kitty-corner to Smyrna. Did they talk about considering expanding into the part of Sandy Springs right across the river in the article? No. So can you say the same thing about Sandy Springs? I imagine you won't. How about East Cobb or Vinings? So why are you picking solely on Smyrna?
Jonquil Gardener September 04, 2012 at 02:03 AM
Alex: I think the issue here is that one group pretty much comes on here and in most cases post completely erroneous information, insinuations and false accusations. I mean the very first post brings up the "Exchange Bank". Then Freya says "dirty tactics" in reference to Bacon. Yet not one time has any of these posters provided proof of anything they have claimed. The other group simply calls them out for it. Then those that are just asking for proof pretty regularly get personally attacked for asking for facts and called "stalkers" or "paid employees" or "mouth pieces" for the City. Like S. Murphy did here on this very thread (below) The problem as you put it here, is that people do read these silly threads and if they are not as informed as you or some of the others are they go looking in these threads to see what the consensus is and then they see all this garbage and start thinking there might be some truth to some of the ridiculous claims. Next thing you know the editor starts taking them seriously and giving them editorial space and then we start hearing questions at public meetings that are just plain ridiculous. I think that those calling these posters out for comments without merit are helping keep this site from becoming one huge negative for the City's image.
Brian September 04, 2012 at 07:35 AM
Regarding the questions of when does office/industry business relocate to Smyrna, exhibit "A" is the growing Highland Parkway park. Regarding peoples' statements that Smyrna doesn't need commerce/industry to survive, I have to agree with Cumberland next door. However, fiscally, it makes sense to decrease the tax burden and honestly South Cobb Drive needs a game other than retail, since it is over-saturated with retail. The other likely direction - more residential on S. Cobb - is going to cost us revenues. A large 4 story office complex was going to be built behind Wendy's near I-285 and annex itself into Smyrna. That would have been a good step towards re-inventing parts of South Cobb as office, but sadly the timing wasn't quite right. Office needs to be in areas easily reachable by people who don't necessarily know the area and with the infrastructure to support it, along with nearby places to eat and get supplies, along with infrastructure. Plazas and walk-ability a plus. General proximity to interstates is also important. The other aspect - close to talent pool - all of Smyrna has in the bag. Therefore, on the infrastructure and location: Appropriate areas for office would be North of Windy Hill on Atlanta Rd, Windy Hill, S. Cobb at Windy Hill, S. Cobb and I-285, Spring Rd just outside Cumberland, Concord at South Cobb, E/W Connector and South Cobb Drive. All but the E/W at S. Cobb have some affordable land if they are willing to tear-down some retail and housing.
Neal Dow June 06, 2013 at 11:11 PM
Evidently Longstreet Capital pulled out of the deal. Concord Rd. property is back on the market. Jonquil Plaza is five years in arrears for taxes. So that adds to the problem of selling that property. All this time has past and still lots are vacant in Smyrna. There's development in all of the metro area expect this city. It's not the economy.
30080 June 17, 2013 at 09:29 PM
JV is four years behind in taxes with the city and five years behind with Cobb Co. If the taxes aren't paid by Aug the property goes up for auction on the courthouse steps.

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